General Dialogue on Islam and Hinduism (Debate Part 2 from www.theintellectual.info)

Months before, a debate kicked off after a youtube video in which Pandit Mahendra Pal Arya defeated Abdullah Tariq, one of the IRF/emams supporters by the name of Mushafiq Sultan, who runs the site called http://www.theintellectual.info, had a debate with Vixter concerning Vedas and Idolatry. Sadly, respected Mushafiq posted only half of the debate on his site, and refused to post the remainder just because it was on islamic idolatry. It was requested by companions to post the remainder of the debate separately on a blog so everybody can read the full debate.

The first part of the debate is available on Mushafiq’s site here:

http://www.theintellectual.info/religion/hinduism/279-general-dialogue-on-islam-and-hinduism

now, after this debate, kaaba being an idol came into the picture with references of Vedas and Quran being associated to prove and disapprove the charges.

The debate part 2 is posted below, everything said by Mushafiq is followed by an “Mushafiq”, and everything said by Vixter, is followed by “Vixter”.

Mushafiq

How many lies will you people utter to hide your own shortcomings? No Muslims WORSHIPS the Kaaba. No Muslim supplicates and asks help from the Kaaba. No Muslim glorifies the Kaaba, bows TO the Kaaba. We bow TOWARDS the Kaaba not TO the Kaaba.

We face in THE DIRECTION of the Kaaba because God directs us to do so. How in the world does it prove Idol worship?

Here is a question for Agniveer. How many times in our daily prayer do we mention the word Kaaba??

Kissing is Idol worship?? I think vegetarianism is really making the senses of Arya Samj people suppressed like the plants they eat.

Lastly Swami Dayanand Saraswat say in the preface to Satyarth Prakash, which you seems to have forgotten

“There are four elements necessary to convey a complete sense of a passage, viz:-
5. Akankasha consists in entering the spirit of the speaker or the author.
6. Yogyata in the fitness of compatability of sense. For instance, when it is said “water irrigates” there is nothing absurd in the mutual connection between the objects signified by the words.
7. Asatti consists in regarding or speaking words in proper sequence, i.e., without detaching them from their context.
8. Tatparya is to give the same meaning to the words of a writer or a speaker which he intended that they should convey..

There are many people who, through bigotry and wrong-headedness, misconstrue the meaning of the author. The sectaries are the greatest sinners in this respect because their intellect is wrapped by bigotry.”

So why are you being a bigot by giving a meaning to our facing the Kaaba, which we do not give? Swamiji according to his own principle was bigot and you obviously being his blind follower are a like bigot.

The Quran says,

“Let them worship the Lord of this House, Who has fed them, [saving them] from hunger and made them safe, [saving them] from fear.” [Surah Quraish 106:3-4]

Vixter

brother, I am happy to see that you have accepted the fact that kaaba is an idol. Now, bowing down to an idol is called idolatry, hence all muslims are idolators as long as they bow before the kaaba, the only way u can say ur not an idolator is by not associating kaaba in ur prayers, tell me can u do that??? Cant u worship allah without idols?????

Mushafiq

I already did prove so. read my posts above. We bow TOWARDS the Kaaba not TO the Kaaba. The Quran tells me that directions do not matter and but for uniformity we pray facing the Kaaba as God commanded us to.

You are a bigot as per the rule of Swami Dayanand. In the preface to Satyarth Prakash, which you seems to have forgotten, on page 7 he says

“There are four elements necessary to convey a complete sense of a passage, viz:-
5. Akankasha consists in entering the spirit of the speaker or the author.
6. Yogyata in the fitness of compatability of sense. For instance, when it is said “water irrigates” there is nothing absurd in the mutual connection between the objects signified by the words.
7. Asatti consists in regarding or speaking words in proper sequence, i.e., without detaching them from their context.
8. Tatparya is to give the same meaning to the words of a writer or a speaker which he intended that they should convey..

There are many people who, through bigotry and wrong-headedness, misconstrue the meaning of the author. The sectaries are the greatest sinners in this respect because their intellect is wrapped by bigotry.”

So why are you being a bigot by giving a meaning to our facing the Kaaba, which we do not give?

We never mention the word Kaaba anywhere in our prayer. It is a direction symbolic of the fact that we adhere to the same religion of Abraham, an not something which was invented by Prophet Muhammad.

rest if u cannot understand this then u r a fool. I cannot help it.

Vixter

brother, every hindu or budd who worships an idol, says the same thing, that he is not bowing to the idol, he is bowing towards it to the real GOD. So brother u have basically said the same thing.

Idolator is anyone who uses an idol to worship GOD. Now, u admit that u bow TOWARDS the idol, and accept it or not, that makes u an idolator. I do not see anything new in ur argument, why dont u accept the fact that u are an idolator????

Ok, suppose I tell u to go break down the kaaba to prove to me that ur not an idolator, will u???? Hindus can throw their idols in the water, but muslims cannot even scratch the kaaba, so doesnt that make muslims greater idolators????

Mushafiq

talking with u is useless coz u are a person with retarded intellect. We never say we worship God THROUGH the Kaaba as the idol worshipers say. Kaaba has been dismantled and rebuilt several times in history and Kaaba was never worshiped by even the idol worshipers of Mecca. So your bigoted mindset is causing u to think so. We do not unnecessarily destroy the Kaaba. Who the hell are u to give us dictates?

Vik u have to answer a lot of my previous questions and so u r simply a non entity here. You have never read the Vedas, never read the Satyarth Prakash,never read the Quran. You are a materialist person who has his pastime job to bash Islam and so you are not worthy to be talked to.

Vixter

Ok, mr. intellectual, u are caught in ur own trap here, if u say that u dont worship Allah through kaaba, then u are commiting an islamic sin called Shirk. This means u bow down before kaaba besides allah. Even if u bow down for unity of prayers, its still bowing down. I dont look at why or how u bow down, all I look at that u bow down. And when u bow down, to an idol for whatever reason, that makes u an idolator. And if u bow down in order to pray to Allah, then ur an idolator.

So why is Allah making u commit shirk, when he strongly condemns it in Quran??

I am a follower of truth, that is why I am dictating to u, to break to kaaba, and stop this idolatry. If someone like ur prophet can make his own laws, why cant I????

U dont want to talk to me because u know very well u cannot refute my arguments on kaaba and idol worship. I challenge u, or any muslim scholar on earth to prove to me that kaaba is not idol worship. So far, I am giving u counter replies to ur arguments, and when u cant answer them, u make excuses saying I am not worthy or I have limited intellectual.

I have answered all your questions in ur mails. I told u before and I am telling u again, that when u get translations from Arya Samaj sites, u have the right or correct translations, but u interpret them wrongly, and not following Swami Ji’s analogy

Mushafiq

I think you need to go and get some mental check up.

You wrote: “if u say that u dont worship Allah through kaaba, then u are commiting an islamic sin called Shirk. ” lol what was that?

Hey baby take some rest.

Vixter

brother, I am always resting, its u who need to sit down and relax and realize what ur saying. Why are u bowing towards kaaba, when u should bow towards Allah??? If Allah told u that u should only bow to him then why is he telling u to bow towards an idol like kaaba, why is he making ur bowing take place somewhere else besides him, is he not making u do shirk in the first place???? Brother, please wake up and reject this stupidity of islam that is fully contradictory. All those idolators muslims like u consider have the same reasons as u, yet u criticize them without looking at urselves??

Mushafiq

I responded hundred times but u have closed ur eyes to the truth. I did not respond because you are not fit to discuss with I told u to answer my question. How many times do we Muslims supplicate/pray to the Kaaba. How many times is Kaaba mentioned in our daily 5 prayers? the answer is none.

We do not bow to the Kaaba we bow in the direction of the Kaaba coz of the commandment of God. There is no idol worship here

It is a masjid there. Like any other masjid in the world. People pray inside it too. and they face any direction.

See one thing is clear you are a bigot according to Swami Dayanand by the passage I quoted from Satyarth Prakash.

The Quran emphatically says,

“Let them worship the Lord of this House, Who has fed them, [saving them] from hunger and made them safe, [saving them] from fear.”

We worship God of the Kaaba and Kaaba is not God. It is merely a direction and a place for Muslims to assemble together.

So don’t be an idiot and insist that we worship idol.

My next articles are how the Vedas are copies of the Zoroastrian Religion and Vedas are not eternal. So keep visiting my website.

I forgot to show you this verse from ur rigved having idol worship in it.

RigVed 10.30.6 says

So maidens bow before the youthful gallant who comes with love to them who yearn to meet him.

Women are told to bow (Naman) b4 men.Your RigVed is promoting Idol Worship

Vixter

my dear brother, where did i talk rudely with u, if I have, I apologize, now please listen to me.

I agree u are using the translations from an Arya Samaji site, but my point is that u are not reading them properly. U have to have enhanced vocabulary knowledge to understand the meanings of those words. For example, if I say, a horse jumped over a fence, it doesnt mean literally that a four legged horse jumps over a fence, it can mean a man who finds the solution to his problems after JUMPING over the obstacles. I hope u get it.

Same is the example with Vedic words, it appears that u have been using a sanskrit dictionary and understanding the meanings based on them which is wrong really wrong. To understand any Vedic verse, we have to go to the origin or root of the word and I strongly feel, U have not done that.

Concerning Rangeela Rasul, Now, I dont know, what muslim are u??? Are u a Sunni or a Qadiyani??

Because Sunnis beleive the Quran we see today is authentic and so are the hadiths. Qadiyanis doubt the hadiths and there are various sects on that.

If u are a sunni, then u must consider todays hadiths to be real and authentic.

Now, everything we have written in Rangeela Rasool, was from the hadiths and Quran with proof. We never did self explanation, the authors took explanations in correct manner from various maulanas or molvis.

Prophet Mohammad had more than 10 wives and he had sex slaves, I am not saying this, but ur hadiths and Quran are:

Speaking of those gods in temples, they have nothing to do with Vedas, people have made that stupidity out of their ignorance, so I condemn those equally as u.

As far as sexuality goes, Quran allows muslims to keep 4 wives and sex slaves and promises 72 virgins in heaven, now which religion is based on sexuality????????????? I can show u the verses of alllll these if u want me to.

Prostitution has originated from muslim women, that is why many times, in brothels, u see them saying stuff like “aslaam alekum” and “adaab”, have u not seen films like Umrao Jaan??? They were based on muslim women

listen brother, I am talking nicely to u, so it would be nice if u be nice as well.

as far as posting of our conversation goes, go on, post these mails tooo, let the world see our discussion and hope all muslims including u return to the pathway of bliss

whats the matter mr.intellectual???

I am talking nicely to u, and u are talking stupid like saying I need mental help, etc??

I even received no reply from u on my mail yet. This means u are scared of debating me. U failed to prove to me that muslims are non idolators.

I will still give u another chance, u can go and bring in another point to justify kaaba as non idol worship. So far, u have been losing to me in proving so. Whats the matter?? Cant defend islam any more????

Brother, Islam lost long time back, I am just making u realize its loss, but the problem is ur not seeing the truth.

By the way, If I am mental, what do u have to say about prophet Abraham??? whom u follow as one of ur prophets sent by Allah

If bowing towards the kaaba is the commandment of GOD, then why is he making u commit shirk when he condemns it in the Quran???

According to allah, u should bow before no one except Allah, but since Allah is sitting in the sky on his thrown (which proves that hes not formless), u should be looking up towards him instead of bowing. And even if I agree with u for the sake of argument, that u have to bow before kaaba in order to bow to allah, why cant allah see ur prayers from anywhere else rather than seeing u only when u face kaaba???

I am not being an idiot, I am being logical. Muslims claim they bow before no one except Allah, but at the same time they bow before a four sided stone called kaaba, which is a blatent contradiction to their claims. I understand the fact that Allah is not present infront of u otherwise u would be bowing to him, but why is he making u bow before the kaaba in his absense? It would be common sense if u simply look up in the sky and then bow down (anywhere), but associating kaaba before it and bowing towards it, sounds stupid and contradictory, and moreover, allah is making u commit shirk since allah and kaaba are two different entities.

If I agree with ur logic, then according to ur logic, hindus who pray before idols are also not idolators since they only use the idol to concentrate upon. They are actually worshiping GOD thru that idol. They bow before it as a substitute for GOD. But I appreciate hindus better since they are honest about it, unlike muslims who say they only bow to allah and not idols and at the same time they bow towards kaaba, why are u fooling urself brother????

U know very well, u did not convince me in this debate of idol worship because the truth is on my side. Even ur Quran says that when falsehood clashes with the truth, falsehood will perish, so that is the same case with u, u know very well, u are an idolator when u bow towards the kaaba, so u better find newer ways to refute me on this, u need alot to learn about ur kaaba before u can debate me on this issue.

As far as Vedas go, All ur interpretations are proven wrong. I would like to confess one thing, I am sorry for thinking Ishwar cannot hear and see, since I verified this with my scholars. But U are still wrong on ur claim of Ishwar getting angry, because ur translation is wrong here.

There are many articles on the web that claim Quran to be a copy of Bible.

I have seen ur site, and u are promoting zakir naik heavilly. Please go on, this tells me that u are a Qadiyani just like Zakir Naik since Zakir copied all this material from word to word from a Qadiyani named Dr. Haque.

We have exposed Zakir Naik inside out on our articles on agniveer.com that even he cannot refute. Please go read them and find out that he is promoting violence and evil in the name of peace and love.

As far as your articles go, u are free to write whatever u wish, because we dont need to panic since we are truthfull.

Mushafiq

see i will keep on refuting u and u will try to respond to me again. I m convinced I answered u and u think u r convinced. Ok so it there. let us not prolong this dialogue like a chewing gum. To you is your religion to me is mine and let us remain in peace.

I think this is fair.

Bye take care.

Vixter

As u wish brother,

I have seen that u posted the first half of our conversation on ur site, so I would recommend u either post these latest mails as well since they are part of our dialogue especially the mail u sent me now calling for ur religion to be urs and mine to be mine.

*After this, Mushafiq never posted the remainder of this article on his site, and he was the one that chose to walk away from this debate, no muslim has the answers for kaaba and idolatry, hence I advise my muslim brothers and sisters to disengage the kaaba, because kaaba is idolatry.*

Note: Vixter is not an Arya Samaj member(as Mushafiq laid allegations of him being a pseudonym of Arya Samaj) or not associated with any RSS or Vedic scholarship. So I advise my respected brother Mushafiq to post at least correct profiles of people.

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25 Responses to General Dialogue on Islam and Hinduism (Debate Part 2 from www.theintellectual.info)

  1. Razzaq says:

    you call this a debate, rofl, keep aside the quran you don’t even know about your vedas

    • Perhaps you forgot that this portion of the debate talks of kaaba-idol worship aspect. All the verses he put forward as “sanction of idol worship” in Vedas are mistranslated. This is evident from the other articles he wrote, in which he has no clue how to translate Vedic mantras properly. As far as Quran goes, read the debate carefully, he could not refute kaaba being an idol, instead he gave silly excuses like praying unity or direction to justify this idol worship.

  2. Ajay says:

    Wow

    excellent debate brother Vixter you cleanbowled maulana Mushafiq ji. Muslims point fingers at others who worship idols but they forget to look into their own house. Well done good debate

  3. Rehan says:

    Vixter…u call this a debate.he clean bowled u. aren’t u ashamed to post this debate? He asnwered each and every point of urs and u answered none of his points. kudos to Mushafiq bhai. That man is enough for all of u.

    • Akshay Malhotra says:

      @ Rehan..

      I think ur blind try to bow down towards kabba and read this again.. may be u can see… as ur allah cant see if u people don’t bow towards kabba…

      We hindus worship idol but in reality we are trying to communicate to God … same way muslims bow down towards Kabba to communicate to Allah..

      Happy 🙂

  4. Ajay says:

    @Rehan

    Rehan ji

    r u blind or wot? Mushafiq chose to walk out of the debate because he could not convince Vixter that kaaba is not idol worship. Vixter even told him to go break the kaaba but Mushafiq said why should he so wot does that tell u Rehan ji?

    Gadhey aayeh nahi toh pehle hi lungar shuru ho gaya

    • Rehan says:

      This shows the illogical mind of you people. Wy will we destroy Kaaba just to please you. I know you are in hell right now and burning from inside. To counter your illogical question, please kill your parents first to prove to us that you do not worship them. Please piss on your Vedas to prove that you do not worship them. What crap you people are filled with? hahahaha

  5. G-K says:

    Niceeeeeeee yepppppppppppppie, poor Mushafiq is torn apart no wonder he refused to post the full debate excellent work Vixter sir.

  6. Singh says:

    good job vixter,

    mushafiqq is a fraud nothing more. There is alot of muslim reality on alisina.org plz do check that outttttttttttt

  7. desi gurl says:

    thanx Vixter, Mushafiq was posting shit articles defaming great wisdom n you knocked him out cold, thank uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu. I do murti pooja and I hate when muslims mock people like me for being idoletress n they do not even look at them selves when they sur jhuka (bow) before their kaaba.

    these friggen mullahs corrupt the minds of these innocent muslim beings. These jihadis have nothing else to do then to talk shit:)

  8. The_Missile says:

    muslims who think that they are not idol worshippers are big fat idiots. Even if Kaaba does not represent an image of Allah it is still Allah’s house moreover it is still an idol and muslims bow before this idol. Well done for this debate, muslims are proven to be idolators after this debate. Now I want to see what mullahs have to say now>>>

  9. Jesus is Lord says:

    @Owner of this site,

    interesting debate but I am a christian and I only pray before the idol of Jesus, so by your logic do I become an idolator as well? Unlike hindus who bow before countless different statues please tell me?

    • Akshay Malhotra says:

      Yes definitely.. you become an Idolator ..

      Instead u people worship idol of messenger instead of God…

  10. Kazzaq says:

    you diverted the topic lol, everyone has seen you couldn’t explain a single verse of vedas, and then you jumped to kaba thing, all your arguments are refuted here http://truthofhinduism.com/rebuttals/answering-agniveer/rebuttal-to-agniveer-kaaba-idol-worship/

    im amazed didn’t you hesitate in posting this debate in which you lost badly

    • Akshay Malhotra says:

      Don’t be amazed even Zakir naik has been challenged for debate since 2004..

      He is shitting his pants….

  11. Zakir Naik sucks says:

    simply awesome!!!!!!!!

    y did maulana Mushafiq choose to quit the debate? It was amazing when Vixter threw the challenge of breaking the kaaba into pieces? Damn!!!

    • ABC>MUSLIM says:

      @ zakir naik……

      (a)First of all i would like to clear the point that KAABA is not an idol!!
      (b) We Muslims don’t worship the Kaaba but we just circulate it
      (c) It’s an order from the Almighty Allah
      (d) It’s just stone & very often we stand above it to clean it. Can anyone of you stand on your so called “IDOLS” to just clean them up?.. I guess you can’t!!

      So from above statements it’s very clear that WE MUSLIMS DONT WORSHIP THE KAABA BUT JUST CIRCULATE IT
      Does anyone of you have a question now..? After clearing it for you people i do hope that you all get it..!! ..

      And by the way this topic wasn’t about KAABA it was about something else..
      I DON’T WANT TO CONTINUE THIS FURTHER..IF YOU WANT TO “GO AHEAD”…BUT “GET ME A PROOF”

  12. ABC>MUSLIM says:

    @ zakir naik……:

    (a)First of all i would like to clear the point that KAABA is not an idol!!
    (b) We Muslims don’t worship the Kaaba but we just circulate it
    (c) It’s an order from the Almighty Allah
    (d) It’s just stone & very often we stand above it to clean it. Can anyone of you stand on your so called “IDOLS” to just clean them up?.. I guess you can’t!!

    So from above statements it’s very clear that WE MUSLIMS DONT WORSHIP THE KAABA BUT JUST CIRCULATE IT
    Does anyone of you have a question now..? After clearing it for you people i do hope that you all get it..!! ..

    And by the way this topic wasn’t about KAABA it was about something else..
    I DON’T WANT TO CONTINUE THIS FURTHER..IF YOU WANT TO “GO AHEAD”…BUT “GET ME A PROOF”

    • @ABC

      a)anything that is a solid monument to which a person bow towards as a ritualistic prayer is an idol. Just like how a hindu bow towards a murthi when offering puja, similarly a muslim bows towards kaaba when doing namaz.

      b)circumbulate and giving importance to kaaba while praying is considered idolatry. Otherwise why do you circumbulate around it in your praying time? Even some hindus circumbulate around their idols, then by ur logic even hindus are not idolators.

      c)If its Allah’s order then He is contradicting his own rules, first He tells you not to bow before idols then he orders you to bow towards kaaba, hence kaaba is an idol.

      d)yes, we can also stand on our idols but we dont since we respect them. Perhaps you forgot, hindus consider God omnipresent, this means God pervades through everything in this world, even the floor that we step on daily. Besides standing on the kaaba, and later on bowing towards the same Kaaba does not justify you from being non idolators. The second you bow towards the kaaba, you are an idolator.

      christians bow before cross symbol, hindus and bhuddists towards their murthis, and muslims towards the kaaba, so hence, all of you are idolators.

  13. yasharya says:

    Mushafiq was a fan of zakir naik once. Then agniveer.com made zakir ineffective on the internet. So mushafiq deleted zakir naik from his site and started pasting maulana a haq vidyarthi on his site. We will reply by quoting pt chamupati, etc who answered these questions in the 1920’s and 30’s & enervate his site in due course of time.

    He has stated in facebook chats [see facebook groups below for proofs] that zakir naik is asking his own people to ask questions on live programs for which zakir has readymade answers. His group believes that zakir is not sure of arya vaidik literature and hence is avoiding a debate with arya samaj. They feel that mushafiq is a better scholar than zakir naik.

    This guy earns a living from donations which depend on these dialogues/websites . His group members do not understand the debates. They just praise him dutifully. Therefore, he is reluctant to accept falsehood anywhere in Islamic theology. But, for how long…..

    He follows Ralph griffith , pt sriram sharma acharya, saayan acharya, satwalekarji, wikipedia, etc for vaidik translations/material. He does not like Rushi dayanand’s translations and he does not know sanskrit. this makes him unqualified for a debate with an arya vidwan. He is a habitual liar and will delete posts if he feels that they will prove that he was defeated, etc. I have found him twisting meanings of sanskrit words to prove bull shit in the vedas. e.g.

    Quran says that Allah is makkar.

    وَمَكَرُواْ وَمَكَرَ اللّهُ وَاللّهُ خَيْرُ الْمَاكِرِينَ

    wa makaroo wa makarullahu w’ Allahu khayru ‘l-maakireena,

    They (unbelievers) planned evil and Allah also planned, and He is the best of planners. (3:54)

    Google translation=And plotted, and cunning God, and God the best of planners!!!!!

    Further, the question arises that why is this ‘cunning’ Allah ‘planning/plotting’ against mortals? Can we compare Allah and human beings ? We know that men plot against men!

    Mushafiq counters this fact by trying to show that the vedic god is also makkar {so the contest reduces to : we r dirty but so r u!}:

    http://www.islamhinduism.com/responses/other-responses/112-reply-to-pandit-mahendra-pal-arya
    वेद का धोकेबाज़ ईश्वर

    अपने शायद वेदों का अध्यन नहीं किया है. ऋग्वेद में अनेक जगह इन्द्र को मायी (धोकेबाज़) कहा गया हे. उदाहरण के तोर पर देखिये ऋग्वेद १:११:७

    मायाभिरिन्द्र मायिनं तवं शुष्णमवातिरः |
    विदुष टे तस्य मेधिरास्तेषां शरवांस्युत तिर ||

    “हे इन्द्रदेव ! अपनी माया द्वारा आपने ‘शुषण’ को पराजित किया. जो बुद्धिमान आपकी इस माया को जानते हैं, उन्हें यश और बल देकर वृद्धि प्रदान करें.”

    इस मंत्र का भावार्थ स्वामी दयानंद जी इस प्रकार करते हैं.

    “बुद्धिमान मनुष्यों को ईश्वर आगया देता है कि- साम, दाम, दंड और भेद की युक्ति से दुष्ट और शत्रु जनों क़ी निवृत्ति करके चक्रवर्ति राज्य क़ी यथावत उन्नति करनी चाहिए”

    पंडित जी, साम, दाम, दंड और भेद को तो आप जानते ही होंगे.

    साम : बहलाना फुसलाना
    दाम : धन देकर चुप कराना
    दंड : यदि बहलाने फुसलाने से न माने तो ताड़ना करना
    भेद : फूट डालना

    इसके अतिरिक्त ऋग्वेद ४:१६:९ में दयानादं जी नें भी अपने भाष्य में ‘मायावान’ का अनुवाद मक्कार किया है. पंडित जयदेव शर्मा (आर्य समाजी) ने अपने ऋग्वेद भाष्य में ‘मायावान’ का अनुवाद कुटिल मायावी किया है.

    तो सिद्ध हो गया कि वैदिक ईश्वर मायी अर्थात धोकेबाज़ है.

    Analysis:

    Vaidik Kosha by Ach Rajvir shastri [srimad dayanand maha vidyalay nyas] says that
    1. mayavan=kutsitprgnyayukt: [dasyu:] p 737
    2. Mayabhi:=vishesh buddhi ke vyavaharon se. [indra: satpurusha:] p 737
    Now mushafiqji took the kutsitpragnya of dasyu from Rig 4/16/9 and placed it on satpurusha of Rig 1/11/7.

    In my opinion the man who concluded that वैदिक ईश्वर धोकेबाज़ है is just a petty crook and not scholar material at all. there is no need to take this child seriously.

    a few hindus/pauraniks were converted by him to Islam. They were reverted to arya samaj by Vajra arya & myself. You will find them here .
    Exposing Islam
    Back To Vedas
    Do go there and find more about the tactics of mushafiq et al.

    Namaste

  14. yasharya says:

    وَمَكَرُواْ وَمَكَرَ اللّهُ وَاللّهُ خَيْرُ الْمَاكِرِينَ

    wa makaroo wa makarullahu w’ Allahu khayru ‘l-maakireena,

    They (unbelievers) planned evil and Allah also planned, and He is the best of planners. (3:54)

    Google translation=And plotted, and cunning God, and God the best of planners!!!!!

    और साजिश रची है, और ‘चालाक’ भगवान, और परमेश्वर के योजनाकारों के सर्वश्रेष्ठ

  15. yasharya ji bravo. on reading whole discsussion i can easily say that mushafiq is learning true islam meand vedas after discussing with the soldiers of swami dayanand.

  16. Jay Arya(hinduagnostic) says:

    his translations are complete nonsense so are his articles

  17. KANDARP says:

    In refernce to quran and science,if a book is written named HINDUISM AND SCIENCE,then even the whole science,would seem small.
    1)All the avatars of lord vishnu define.the evolution of human being
    2)In vedas,the speed of light is accurately mentioned and is equal to calculated value of 3*10^8m/s.
    Many more are there,but its just a page,and a piece of suggestion to those muslims who fight in name of allah
    Allah ne bhi”Islam se pehle Insaan banaya”

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